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41 000 Christian denominations Wikipedia

A FAIRLY URGENT/----->>>>> Q&R

Rowland Croucher

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List of Christian denominations

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This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article byadding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.(November 2009)
Christian denomination is an identifiable religious body under a common name, structure, and doctrine within Christianity.[1]Some groups included do not consider themselves a denomination (e.g., the Catholic Church considers itself the one true church and the Apostolic See, and as pre-denominational).[2] Some groups viewed by non-adherents as denominational actively resist being called a denomination and do not have any formal denominational structure, authority, or record-keeping beyond the local congregation; several groups within Restoration Movement fall into this category.
Some groups are large (e.g. CatholicsOrthodoxLutheransAnglicans or Baptists), while others are just a few small churches, and in most cases the relative size is not evident in this list. Modern movements such as Fundamentalist ChristianityPietism,EvangelicalismPentecostalism and the Holiness movement sometimes cross denominational lines, or in some cases create new denominations out of two or more continuing groups, (as is the case for many United and uniting churches, for example). Such subtleties and complexities are not clearly depicted here.
Note: This is not a complete list, but aims to provide a comprehensible overview of the diversity among denominations of Christianity. As there are reported to be approximately 41,000 Christian denominations,[3] many of which cannot be verified to be significant, only those denominations with Wikipedia articles will be listed in order to ensure that all entries on this list are notable and verifiable.
Between denominations, theologians, and comparative religionists there are considerable disagreements about which groups can be properly called Christian, disagreements arising primarily from doctrinal differences between groups. For the purpose of simplicity, this list is intended to reflect the self-understanding of each denomination. Explanations of different opinions concerning their status as Christian denominations can be found at their respective articles.
There is no official recognition in most parts of the world for religious bodies, and there is no official clearinghouse which could determine the status or respectability of religious bodies. Often there is considerable disagreement between various churches about whether other churches should be labeled with pejorative terms such as "cult", or about whether this or that group enjoys some measure of respectability. Such considerations often vary from place to place, where one religious group may enjoy majority status in one region, but be widely regarded as a "dangerous cult" in another part of the world. Inclusion on this list does not indicate any judgment about the size, importance, or character of a group or its members.

Noah's flood (sloths can't swim; Australian koalas); Bible - why make a claim - like inerrancy - which the Bible doesn't make of itself.

IVF: inerrancy in doctrinal basis (don'tworry about it - General Secretary). Wizard Melbourne University open air meeting. 60s, hippies, anti-Vietnam, student revolts
CBC: lots of questions, but a small number og conservatives got nervous, and phoned around to ensure members from decades before who hadn't been attending while I was there stacked a meeting called by the leadership to invite me to be permanent pastor, and I just missed the 3/4 majority needed - which led to my accepting an invitation to be bne senior pastor of a large Baptist Church 'up the road' from Monash University. Those students loved the questions, and brought their friends, and that church grew... When I was meeting with the call committee, 'keep the morning services fairly predictable, but I'd insist on a 'free go' Sunday nights'. That was OK by them as their pm services dropped to a handful of people - 'as low as eight' sometimes.

Like Narwee, we had very few 'you can't do that' type people. (Church strategist Lyle Schaller calls them 'permission-withholders'). My days in those two churches - heady days...

File 'Dissent'.

Fowler's Stages of Faith

Pope Francis Broadens the Christian Agenda to Include—Shock—the Gospel
by Martin E. Marty
Monday | Sept 23 2013
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On Pope Francis, Stephen Pope (no relation) of Boston College spoke wisely. According to many analysts, the Pope seemed, in his interview published September 19, 2013, to chide U.S. Catholic bishops for having focused too much on cultural or “social" issues, abortion, birth control, and gay issues. Careful, said theology professor Pope. Quoted in the Wall Street Journal, Professor Pope didn’t find the Pope scolding the bishops for their focus on cultural issues: “I don’t think Pope Francis would do anything that the bishops would perceive as undermining their efforts. They’ll probably interpret this as broadening their agenda rather than cutting out their agenda.”

Though some bishops read Francis’ words as a critique of them, the Pope was aiming his remarks more at Catholics who speak through “pro” and “con” interest groups on these issues, and at a public obsessed with what Francis called the “obsessions.”

Today’s Sightings adds to the discussion of the cultural-issues agenda, which disturbs the Pope. An internet word-search reminds me that more than four years ago, I was quoted in aUSA Today column whose headline proclaimed: “Sex Sex Sex! Is that all church leaders talk about?” In this column, religion editor, Cathy Lynn Grossman, caught me lapsing into nostalgia, “lament[ing] years past when denominations’ annual meetings talked about, shock, God.” In years past, “Catholic agencies and the press” also talked mostly about God, not just the three themes targeted by the Pope. (In the future, I expect a fourth contested Catholic theme—the ordination of women.)

Christian agendas have tended to focus on different triads in different epochs. Christians in the early centuries did talk about God, as the Trinity. In the Enlightenment and Revolutionary era, triadic talk centered around three human dreams: “Liberté, égalité, and fraternité.” Now check the world wide web to find the predominant references by Roman Catholics and most other Christians in our time; they talk most about “Sex Sex Sex!”

Though the Pope gave a 12,000 word-long interview (to fellow Jesuit, Antonio Sparado, see Reference below), the Catholic Right-Left-and-Center, plus other Christians, plus media analysts are responding to the Pope’s brief mention of abortion, birth control, and gay interests. We notice understandably giddy responses from one set of Catholics, understandably cautious responses from another, and understandably complex responses from the majority. All with good reasons.

Back to Professor Pope. He asks us to pay attention to the “broadened” agenda about which Francis has been, and remains, clear, unambiguous, and forceful. In all his public speeches, in his long and revelatory interview, and through most of his acts, gestures, and spontaneous remarks, Francis wants his papacy, his bishops, and his Church to be focused on the Gospel, the “good news” of God’s action in Jesus Christ. He reasons that Roman Catholics and other Christians are losing ground in their “evangelical” missions not because God has withdrawn the Gospel of “mercy and compassion” but because of the Church’s “obsessive” pursuit of other important issues in the wrong way.

Admittedly, there is something ironic about everybody’s, including Sightings’, increasing talk about “cultural issues” in the interest of, eventually, making room for the Pope’s talk about his Gospel-centered agenda. But many Protestant, Orthodox, and Evangelical believers will be with him to “talk about, shock, God,” and to respond to Francis’ gestures and symbolic actions toward the poor and others in need.


Weigel, George. “The Christ-Centered Pope.” National Review Online, September 20, 2013. Accessed September 22, 2013.

Spadaro, Antonio, S.J. “A Big Heart Open to God.” America: The National Catholic Review, September 30, 2013. Accessed September 22, 2013.

Ball, Deborah and Jennifer Levitz. “Pope Warns Church Focusing Too Much on Gays, Abortion.” The Wall Street Journal, September 19, 2013. Accessed September 22, 2013.

Grossman, Cathy Lynn. “Sex Sex Sex! Is that all church leaders talk about?” USA Today, March 23, 2009. Accessed September 22, 2013.

Marty, Martin E. “The Decline of the Culture Wars.” Sightings, March 23, 2009. Accessed September 22, 2013.
Author, Martin E. Marty, is the Fairfax M. Cone Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus of the History of Modern Christianity at the University of Chicago Divinity School. His biography, publications, and contact information can be found at


Galatians 3:10, GNB; James 2:17, GNB; Romans 12:4-5, GNB; 1 Corinthians 12:12-13, 18-20, GNB; 1 Corinthians 13:12-13, GNB; Romans 14:13 and 19, GNB; John 13:34-35, GNB; Romans 15:7, GNB; 1 Peter 4:8-10, NEB.

Snoopy was typing a manuscript, up on his kennel. Charlie Brown: ‘What are you doing Snoopy?’ Snoopy: ‘Writing a book about theology.’ Charlie Brown: ‘Good grief. What’s its title?’ Snoopy (thoughtfully): ‘Have You Ever Considered You Might Be Wrong?’

This points up a central Christian dictum: God’s truth is very much bigger than our little systems.

Our Lord often made the point that God’s fathering extended to all people everywhere. He bluntly targeted the narrow nationalism of his own people, particularly in stories like the Good Samaritan. Here the ‘baddie’ is a hero. It’s a wonderful parable underlining the necessity to love God through loving your neighbour – and one’s neighbour is the person who needs help, whoever he or she may be. But note that love of neighbour is more than seeking their conversion, then adding a few acts of mercy to others in ‘our group’. Jesus’ other summary statements about the meaning of religion and life in Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 involve justice too: attempting to right the wrongs my neighbour suffers.

‘Ethnocentrism’ is the glorification of my group. What often happens in practice is a kind of spiritual apartheid: I’ll do my thing and you do yours – over there. Territoriality (‘my place – keep out!’) replaces hospitality (‘my place – you’re welcome!’). I like Paul’s commendation in Philippians 2:19-21 of Timothy ‘who really cares’ when everyone else was concerned with their own affairs.

Sometimes our non-acceptance of others’ uniqueness has jealousy or feelings of inferiority at its root. You have probably heard the little doggerel, ‘I hate the guys/ that criticise/ and minimise/ the other guys/ whose enterprise/ has made them rise/ above the guys/ that criticise/ and minimise…’

In our global village we cannot avoid relating to ‘different others’. Indeed, marriage is all about two different people forming a unity in spite of their differences. Those differences can of course be irritating – for example when a ‘lark’ marries an ‘owl’ (but the Creator made both to adorn his creation).

Even within yourself there are diverse personalities. If you are a ‘right brain’ person, why not develop an interest in ‘left brain’ thinking?

The Lord reveals different aspects of divine truth to different branches of the church. What a pity, then, to make our part of the truth the whole truth. Martin Buber had the right idea when he said that the truth is not so much in human beings as between them. An author dedicated his book to ‘Stephen… who agrees with me in nothing, but is my friend in everything.’ Just as an orchestra needs every instrument, or a fruit salad is tastier with a great variety of fruits, so we are enriched through genuine fellowship with each other.

A Christian group matures when it recognises it may have something to learn from other groups. The essence of immaturity is not knowing that one doesn’t know, and therefore being unteachable. No one denomination or church has a monopoly on the truth. How was God able to get along for 1500, 1600 or 1900 years without this or that church? Differences between denominations or congregations – or even within them – reflect the rich diversity and variety of the social, cultural and temperamental backgrounds from which those people come. But they also reflect the character of God whose grace is ‘multi-coloured’.

If you belong to Christ and I belong to Christ, we belong to each other and we need each other. Nothing should divide us.


A Prayer: Lord God our Creator, when you made all creatures great and small in their rich diversity you were so delighted. And when you made human beings (in your image) to be so diverse, they must represent somehow the rich diversity of the Godhead itself. Lord, our Redeemer, when Jesus Christ died to draw all unto him, it was in prospect of heaven being populated by people from every tribe, language, nation and race.

Lord, help me to appreciate all this richness; may my theology not be too eccentric, peripheral to the central concern of the gospel which is to increase love for God and others. So teach me how to stay close to you, close to humankind, and make it the goal of my life to bring God and humankind together. Help me to move from law (with its tendency to reduce everything to a common denominator) to grace (where individual differences are celebrated). May my view of myself be conditioned more by my being bound up in life with others, rather than my separateness from them. Help me to be big enough to be all things to all people, to help in their saving to keep the bridges between me and others in good repair…

A Benediction

May God be merciful to us, and bless us; look on us with kindness, so that the whole world may know your will; so that nations may know your salvation. May the peoples praise you, O God; may all the peoples praise you! (Psalm 67: 1,2).

Young? Ok. YWAM dts, AFES IFES, CSL - start conservative - thinking - more liberal. NIV TO NRSV.

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